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WEB EXCLUSIVE: At CJN election forum, Lingle, Cardin debate issues, candidates
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By MARILYN H. KARFELD
Senior Staff Reporter
Hawaii’s Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, speaking for Sen. John McCain, and Maryland’s Democratic Sen. Ben Cardin, pushing for Sen. Barack Obama, addressed voters’ concerns last night in the CJN/ The Israel Project’s election forum. CJN editor Cynthia Dettelbach asked questions and moderated the debate held at Park Synagogue.
Israel and the threat from Iran was a focus of the evening. Both Lingle and Cardin insisted their candidates strongly support a strong Israel and its right to defend itself.
“Which candidate do I trust?” and “Which candidate has the experience to forge bipartisan relationships?” asked Lingle in her opening remarks. Voters, she feels, must ask themselves these two key questions and look at the candidates’ record to answer them.
While each candidate has proposals to deal with the major issues of the day, because of the country’s financial crisis, they may not be able to carry out those plans, Lingle pointed out. Voters need to consider which candidate will best be able to deal with the unexpected and protect the country, just as President Bush did with 9/11 and President Truman did with the atomic bomb.
Clues about Obama’s character include his breaking his promise to use public financing during the presidential campaign, Lingle said. Realizing how much money he could raise, Obama went back on his word.
McCain has been able to cross the aisle and work with Democrats, she said, pointing to his work with Sen. Joe Lieberman on climate and Sen. Russ Feingold on campaign finance reform.
Both candidates are in public office to serve America, but they have different visions for America, noted Cardin in his opening statement. McCain has supported Bush’s policies, which have cut taxes and expanded spending, doubling the national debt in eight years, Cardin said. Obama has opposed those policies.
Cardin also questioned McCain’s judgment in choosing Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential running mate. “Weren’t there more qualified persons to step into the office of the president” if necessary?
The Illinois senator voted against authorizing the Iraq war, Cardin noted, where 4,100 Americans have died and 30,000 Americans’ lives have been changed forever through injuries. Bush lost his focus on the war on terrorism as he spent $700 billion to wage war in Iraq, which was not involved in 9/11, Cardin pointed out.
Obama will confront the special interests in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries in his healthcare proposals, and take on the corporate oil interests in his energy policy, Cardin said. “We need change.”
Voters must make sure that the next president has a passion for constitutional protections, Cardin added. Obama is the only candidate who will fight for separation of church and state and for the right of privacy and choice over reproduction. He’ll also fight for equal pay for equal work, which McCain has opposed in the Senate.
Reducing the reliance on foreign oil
McCain will rely on “all of the above” to move America away from foreign oil, Lingle said; offshore drilling, nuclear energy and clean coal are key to his energy policy. In contrast, Obama once said he was opposed to offshore drilling but now says he may consider it along with nuclear power. His approach will result in higher energy prices for businesses and families, Linglea sserted.
McCain’s energy policy “starts and ends with the oil companies,” rebutted Cardin. McCain supports giving tax breaks to oil companies. Obama believes America can be energy independent and do it in 10 years. Toward that goal, Obama wants to invest in alternative energy sources, which McCain voted against eight times before it was finally passed.
“We have to wean ourselves off oil. One, we don’t have it, and two, it’s not good for the environment,” Cardin said. If we had increased the fuel economy standards for autos 10 years ago, we’d have saved more oil than three times the capacity in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).
Negotiating for a Palestinian state
Obama says he won’t negotiate with Hamas, which now controls Gaza, Cardin said. The difficulty is the Palestinians don’t have a person to negotiate with.
But Obama understands we have to support the peace process. The U.S. will see a “different type of foreign policy” if Obama is elected, Cardin said, “engaging the international community, meeting with foreign leaders, meeting with our allies. Not dictating to our allies.”
Israel is not safer today under the Bush policies, Cardin added. “Obama’s reception in Europe will help Israel.”
“McCain puts Israel’s security ahead of any process,” Lingle said. “McCain doesn’t care what Europe thinks of his position on Israel.” That remark elicited enthusiastic applause from the audience, which continued to clap loudly for Lingle’s comments on Israel until moderator Dettelbach admonished them to hold any applause until the end.
McCain believes you don’t negotiate with terrorists, Lingle said. He has a long history of bipartisan partnerships at home and around the world.
“Israel needs an active U.S. partner,” said Cardin. “Obama has said Israel will have that ally (in his administration), and the proper climate for negotiations.
McCain would demand that whomever we negotiated with must first recognize Israel’s right to exist, said Lingle.
Countering threat from Iran and its pursuit of nuclear weapons
Lingle took issue with the contention that Obama will be able to “use his personality” and do what previous presidents have not be able to do: turn Iran away from its terrorist ways. “They are bent on destruction of our way of life and that of Israel. This naiveté distinguishes Obama from McCain.”
McCain has supported all sorts of sanctions against Iran, the Hawaii governor pointed out. There’s no evidence about what Obama will do, after only three years in the Senate. In the Illinois Senate he voted present 129 times because he didn’t like controversy.
“Iran understands strength. That’s what McCain will bring,” Lingle maintained.
In the last eight years under Bush’s policies, Iran has gotten stronger, Cardin countered. For sanctions to work, the U.S. must work with European allies. Sanctions are a far better option than using military force.
Blaming Bush, blaming America for what Hamas and Iran are doing is wrong, Lingle rebutted, “It’s not Bush’s or Clinton’s fault. It’s their (Iran and Hamas’s) fault.”
Obama believes that Iran is the biggest danger in the Middle East, Cardin said. It is financing terrorism around the world and is committed to the destruction of Israel and western interests.
Obama has led an effort in the Senate to impose more sanctions against Iran regarding its oil revenues and the isolation of its economy, Cardin noted. He said AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) lobbied him to support Obama’s amendment on an omnibus bill, an amendment Republicans blocked.
“We have to talk to the Iranians,” said Cardin. “We don’t yield an inch. They must renounce terrorism. We offer a carrot and stick approach. If they say no, we tighten sanctions.” Without a market for its oil, Iran’s economy cannot function.
McCain has clearly opposed Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons, said Lingle. Europe has already offered carrots and sticks. What are the “magic sanctions” that Obama proposes? “We’ve been through that with Iran through the decades.”
She criticized Obama for being unable to forge a bipartisan partnership to gain passage of his amendment “if it was such a great bill.”
Tax policy, eliminating deficit, growing jobs
Obama wants to raise taxes for people and small businesses earning over $250,000 a year, noted Lingle. This will hurt the 22,000 small businesses in Hawaii, she said. Also harmful to business is Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax, which McCain wants to cut.
McCain also wants to phase out and eliminate the alternative minimum income tax, lower the corporate tax rate, and ban Internet and new cell phone taxes, Lingle noted. The Arizona Republican wants to allow businesses to immediately deduct the expense of new equipment rather than deduct it over the lifetime of the equipment.
McCain isn’t going to be able to pay for all of these tax cuts, countered Cardin. When Bush became president, there was a budget surplus. He cut taxes and invaded Iraq, borrowed money to pay for it, and doubled the national debt. “Exxon Mobil doesn’t need additional tax cuts … McCain will take us further into debt,” Cardin maintained.
The wealthy will benefit the most under McCain’s tax proposals, while Obama proposes tax cuts for 95% of Americans, Cardin added. Small businesses will also benefit from the tax breaks and from the more affordable healthcare coverage that Obama proposes.
McCain pays for his tax cuts by cutting out pork in the federal budget and economic expansion, Lingle countered. “I costed out Obama’s plan. It will cost $1.5 trillion in the first two years.” Taking away money from the rich hurts the people who create jobs, she added.
Shoring up Social Security, Medicare
Obama believes Social Security, which is indexed to keep up with inflation, has helped keep senior citizens out of poverty, noted Cardin. McCain supported Bush’s plan to privatize Social Security. If people had personally invested their Social Security payroll tax, “just think where they would be today,” Cardin said.
To keep Social Security from running out of money, Obama proposes raising the current cap ($102,000) on income taxed, Cardin said. A modest increase will make the system solvent for the next 75 years. McCain also wants to privatize Medicare, Cardin claimed.
“I’m offended that people use scare tactics against senior citizens,” said Lingle. “McCain does not want to privatize Social Security. He wants the option for individuals to plan for their own future.”
Just as under Bush’s proposal, McCain would allow people to make their own decisions on money set aside for their retirement, Lingle said.
Medicare is more complicated, she added. Fixing it requires a national discussion of all the interested groups. “Medicare cannot sustain its (current) financial model.”
Bush and McCain did not propose a voluntary privatization plan, Cardin rebutted. Obama has supported a supplemental plan that would allow more private savings for retirement, but would not reduce Social Security’s strength.
Improving access to healthcare without more debt
Obama believes every American should have healthcare, but today 47 million are uninsured, a national disgrace, Cardin lamented. The Illinois Democrat’s plan would let Americans keep their current insurance if they like it. If they need insurance, they can join the federal employees’ healthcare plan.
Saving money through preventive care and taking on the pharmaceutical companies so Americans pay less for medicine are other elements of Obama’s healthcare proposal, Cardin said. It costs far more to have private insurers administrate healthcare coverage than it does Medicare, he pointed out.
McCain is devoted to free markets, Lingle said, while Obama wants a larger role for government. Under McCain’s plan, people will no longer get a tax advantage if their employer provides their healthcare, as is the case now. Instead, McCain wants to make the tax benefit equal for everyone.
Limiting malpractice damages, which have driven up costs, and fostering development of more generic drugs are also part of McCain’s plan, Lingle said.
She questioned how Obama’s pledge to “take on” the pharmaceutical companies will lower drug costs, and how technology and computerizing patient records will save money.
She cited statistics from the Tax Policy Center that no matter their tax bracket, families would save money under McCain’s plan, which would give every family a $5,000 tax credit to buy their own health insurance and tax employers’ healthcare benefits as income.
Cardin countered that healthcare for a family costs $12,000 a year, so McCain’s $5,000 tax credit would hardly be sufficient. Under McCain’s plan, most employers would drop their healthcare plan, Cardin noted.
United Nations conference on racism
McCain would not allow the U.S. to participate in any UN conference that attacked Israel as racist, Lingle said. Instead, McCain has suggested convening a Council of Democracies to discuss the issue.
There’s no difference in the position of the two candidates on this, noted Cardin. Obama believes it was a proud moment when the U.S. walked out of the Durban conference on racism. At the next conference on racism to be held in Geneva, Obama would again walk away if the forum were to be used to foment anti-Semitism against Israel.
Policies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq
However the U.S. got into Iraq, now that we are there, McCain is certain we will leave with honor, Lingle said. “He doesn’t want to create a civil war and a haven for terrorists in the Middle East.”
McCain also will not set artificial timetables; he wants us to be successful so we can leave with honor, she said.
The facts are clear that Iraq was not involved in the attack on America on 9/11, Cardin pointed out. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq. Today, there’s still more a problem of Iraqis not getting along than of terrorism against the U.S.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are very dangerous places where Al Qaeda is training and hiding out, Cardin said. Obama wants to put more troops in those two countries, but they are instead tied up in Iraq.
Afghanistan has a different terrain than Iraq and we can’t just send more troops there, Lingle countered. It must be a “more tactical operation.” She noted how proud Americans should be that they “freed the women of Afghanistan.”
Tone, strategy of presidential campaign
McCain needs to do a better job of “connecting the dots” for people who are not following the issues on a daily basis, Lingle offered. But she said it was presumptuous to offer advice to a man with such accomplishments, who has made such sacrifices.
Obama has engaged millions and excited young people who had never before been involved in the political system, said Cardin. “I’m proud of the campaign he’s run.” He noted that millions have contributed small amounts, $25 and $50, to see Obama elected president.
“Take a look at the trash that McCain has put on TV,” Cardin added. “He promised to be a truth teller. McCain has gone down new paths of deception.”
In his closing argument, Cardin said Obama is choosing to invest in America, its schools, healthcare, energy independence and security. The U.S. was a respected international leader eight years ago, able to work for peace in countries like Ireland and Cyprus. Obama will restore that respect.
Americans must “choose hope over fear, change over the status quo,” Cardin concluded.
In her closing statement, Lingle repeated that Americans must choose a leader they can trust to keep his word and to keep America and Israel safe. “It’s a choice between experience and a blank slate. We don’t know much about Obama.”
Obama is “uncomfortable with making a decision, with controversy,” Lingle said. “He wants to keep everyone happy. McCain will put the country first.”
Israel and the threat from Iran was a focus of the evening. Both Lingle and Cardin insisted their candidates strongly support a strong Israel and its right to defend itself.
“Which candidate do I trust?” and “Which candidate has the experience to forge bipartisan relationships?” asked Lingle in her opening remarks. Voters, she feels, must ask themselves these two key questions and look at the candidates’ record to answer them.
While each candidate has proposals to deal with the major issues of the day, because of the country’s financial crisis, they may not be able to carry out those plans, Lingle pointed out. Voters need to consider which candidate will best be able to deal with the unexpected and protect the country, just as President Bush did with 9/11 and President Truman did with the atomic bomb.
Clues about Obama’s character include his breaking his promise to use public financing during the presidential campaign, Lingle said. Realizing how much money he could raise, Obama went back on his word.
McCain has been able to cross the aisle and work with Democrats, she said, pointing to his work with Sen. Joe Lieberman on climate and Sen. Russ Feingold on campaign finance reform.
Both candidates are in public office to serve America, but they have different visions for America, noted Cardin in his opening statement. McCain has supported Bush’s policies, which have cut taxes and expanded spending, doubling the national debt in eight years, Cardin said. Obama has opposed those policies.
Cardin also questioned McCain’s judgment in choosing Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential running mate. “Weren’t there more qualified persons to step into the office of the president” if necessary?
The Illinois senator voted against authorizing the Iraq war, Cardin noted, where 4,100 Americans have died and 30,000 Americans’ lives have been changed forever through injuries. Bush lost his focus on the war on terrorism as he spent $700 billion to wage war in Iraq, which was not involved in 9/11, Cardin pointed out.
Obama will confront the special interests in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries in his healthcare proposals, and take on the corporate oil interests in his energy policy, Cardin said. “We need change.”
Voters must make sure that the next president has a passion for constitutional protections, Cardin added. Obama is the only candidate who will fight for separation of church and state and for the right of privacy and choice over reproduction. He’ll also fight for equal pay for equal work, which McCain has opposed in the Senate.
Reducing the reliance on foreign oil
McCain will rely on “all of the above” to move America away from foreign oil, Lingle said; offshore drilling, nuclear energy and clean coal are key to his energy policy. In contrast, Obama once said he was opposed to offshore drilling but now says he may consider it along with nuclear power. His approach will result in higher energy prices for businesses and families, Linglea sserted.
McCain’s energy policy “starts and ends with the oil companies,” rebutted Cardin. McCain supports giving tax breaks to oil companies. Obama believes America can be energy independent and do it in 10 years. Toward that goal, Obama wants to invest in alternative energy sources, which McCain voted against eight times before it was finally passed.
“We have to wean ourselves off oil. One, we don’t have it, and two, it’s not good for the environment,” Cardin said. If we had increased the fuel economy standards for autos 10 years ago, we’d have saved more oil than three times the capacity in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).
Negotiating for a Palestinian state
Obama says he won’t negotiate with Hamas, which now controls Gaza, Cardin said. The difficulty is the Palestinians don’t have a person to negotiate with.
But Obama understands we have to support the peace process. The U.S. will see a “different type of foreign policy” if Obama is elected, Cardin said, “engaging the international community, meeting with foreign leaders, meeting with our allies. Not dictating to our allies.”
Israel is not safer today under the Bush policies, Cardin added. “Obama’s reception in Europe will help Israel.”
“McCain puts Israel’s security ahead of any process,” Lingle said. “McCain doesn’t care what Europe thinks of his position on Israel.” That remark elicited enthusiastic applause from the audience, which continued to clap loudly for Lingle’s comments on Israel until moderator Dettelbach admonished them to hold any applause until the end.
McCain believes you don’t negotiate with terrorists, Lingle said. He has a long history of bipartisan partnerships at home and around the world.
“Israel needs an active U.S. partner,” said Cardin. “Obama has said Israel will have that ally (in his administration), and the proper climate for negotiations.
McCain would demand that whomever we negotiated with must first recognize Israel’s right to exist, said Lingle.
Countering threat from Iran and its pursuit of nuclear weapons
Lingle took issue with the contention that Obama will be able to “use his personality” and do what previous presidents have not be able to do: turn Iran away from its terrorist ways. “They are bent on destruction of our way of life and that of Israel. This naiveté distinguishes Obama from McCain.”
McCain has supported all sorts of sanctions against Iran, the Hawaii governor pointed out. There’s no evidence about what Obama will do, after only three years in the Senate. In the Illinois Senate he voted present 129 times because he didn’t like controversy.
“Iran understands strength. That’s what McCain will bring,” Lingle maintained.
In the last eight years under Bush’s policies, Iran has gotten stronger, Cardin countered. For sanctions to work, the U.S. must work with European allies. Sanctions are a far better option than using military force.
Blaming Bush, blaming America for what Hamas and Iran are doing is wrong, Lingle rebutted, “It’s not Bush’s or Clinton’s fault. It’s their (Iran and Hamas’s) fault.”
Obama believes that Iran is the biggest danger in the Middle East, Cardin said. It is financing terrorism around the world and is committed to the destruction of Israel and western interests.
Obama has led an effort in the Senate to impose more sanctions against Iran regarding its oil revenues and the isolation of its economy, Cardin noted. He said AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) lobbied him to support Obama’s amendment on an omnibus bill, an amendment Republicans blocked.
“We have to talk to the Iranians,” said Cardin. “We don’t yield an inch. They must renounce terrorism. We offer a carrot and stick approach. If they say no, we tighten sanctions.” Without a market for its oil, Iran’s economy cannot function.
McCain has clearly opposed Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons, said Lingle. Europe has already offered carrots and sticks. What are the “magic sanctions” that Obama proposes? “We’ve been through that with Iran through the decades.”
She criticized Obama for being unable to forge a bipartisan partnership to gain passage of his amendment “if it was such a great bill.”
Tax policy, eliminating deficit, growing jobs
Obama wants to raise taxes for people and small businesses earning over $250,000 a year, noted Lingle. This will hurt the 22,000 small businesses in Hawaii, she said. Also harmful to business is Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax, which McCain wants to cut.
McCain also wants to phase out and eliminate the alternative minimum income tax, lower the corporate tax rate, and ban Internet and new cell phone taxes, Lingle noted. The Arizona Republican wants to allow businesses to immediately deduct the expense of new equipment rather than deduct it over the lifetime of the equipment.
McCain isn’t going to be able to pay for all of these tax cuts, countered Cardin. When Bush became president, there was a budget surplus. He cut taxes and invaded Iraq, borrowed money to pay for it, and doubled the national debt. “Exxon Mobil doesn’t need additional tax cuts … McCain will take us further into debt,” Cardin maintained.
The wealthy will benefit the most under McCain’s tax proposals, while Obama proposes tax cuts for 95% of Americans, Cardin added. Small businesses will also benefit from the tax breaks and from the more affordable healthcare coverage that Obama proposes.
McCain pays for his tax cuts by cutting out pork in the federal budget and economic expansion, Lingle countered. “I costed out Obama’s plan. It will cost $1.5 trillion in the first two years.” Taking away money from the rich hurts the people who create jobs, she added.
Shoring up Social Security, Medicare
Obama believes Social Security, which is indexed to keep up with inflation, has helped keep senior citizens out of poverty, noted Cardin. McCain supported Bush’s plan to privatize Social Security. If people had personally invested their Social Security payroll tax, “just think where they would be today,” Cardin said.
To keep Social Security from running out of money, Obama proposes raising the current cap ($102,000) on income taxed, Cardin said. A modest increase will make the system solvent for the next 75 years. McCain also wants to privatize Medicare, Cardin claimed.
“I’m offended that people use scare tactics against senior citizens,” said Lingle. “McCain does not want to privatize Social Security. He wants the option for individuals to plan for their own future.”
Just as under Bush’s proposal, McCain would allow people to make their own decisions on money set aside for their retirement, Lingle said.
Medicare is more complicated, she added. Fixing it requires a national discussion of all the interested groups. “Medicare cannot sustain its (current) financial model.”
Bush and McCain did not propose a voluntary privatization plan, Cardin rebutted. Obama has supported a supplemental plan that would allow more private savings for retirement, but would not reduce Social Security’s strength.
Improving access to healthcare without more debt
Obama believes every American should have healthcare, but today 47 million are uninsured, a national disgrace, Cardin lamented. The Illinois Democrat’s plan would let Americans keep their current insurance if they like it. If they need insurance, they can join the federal employees’ healthcare plan.
Saving money through preventive care and taking on the pharmaceutical companies so Americans pay less for medicine are other elements of Obama’s healthcare proposal, Cardin said. It costs far more to have private insurers administrate healthcare coverage than it does Medicare, he pointed out.
McCain is devoted to free markets, Lingle said, while Obama wants a larger role for government. Under McCain’s plan, people will no longer get a tax advantage if their employer provides their healthcare, as is the case now. Instead, McCain wants to make the tax benefit equal for everyone.
Limiting malpractice damages, which have driven up costs, and fostering development of more generic drugs are also part of McCain’s plan, Lingle said.
She questioned how Obama’s pledge to “take on” the pharmaceutical companies will lower drug costs, and how technology and computerizing patient records will save money.
She cited statistics from the Tax Policy Center that no matter their tax bracket, families would save money under McCain’s plan, which would give every family a $5,000 tax credit to buy their own health insurance and tax employers’ healthcare benefits as income.
Cardin countered that healthcare for a family costs $12,000 a year, so McCain’s $5,000 tax credit would hardly be sufficient. Under McCain’s plan, most employers would drop their healthcare plan, Cardin noted.
United Nations conference on racism
McCain would not allow the U.S. to participate in any UN conference that attacked Israel as racist, Lingle said. Instead, McCain has suggested convening a Council of Democracies to discuss the issue.
There’s no difference in the position of the two candidates on this, noted Cardin. Obama believes it was a proud moment when the U.S. walked out of the Durban conference on racism. At the next conference on racism to be held in Geneva, Obama would again walk away if the forum were to be used to foment anti-Semitism against Israel.
Policies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq
However the U.S. got into Iraq, now that we are there, McCain is certain we will leave with honor, Lingle said. “He doesn’t want to create a civil war and a haven for terrorists in the Middle East.”
McCain also will not set artificial timetables; he wants us to be successful so we can leave with honor, she said.
The facts are clear that Iraq was not involved in the attack on America on 9/11, Cardin pointed out. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq. Today, there’s still more a problem of Iraqis not getting along than of terrorism against the U.S.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are very dangerous places where Al Qaeda is training and hiding out, Cardin said. Obama wants to put more troops in those two countries, but they are instead tied up in Iraq.
Afghanistan has a different terrain than Iraq and we can’t just send more troops there, Lingle countered. It must be a “more tactical operation.” She noted how proud Americans should be that they “freed the women of Afghanistan.”
Tone, strategy of presidential campaign
McCain needs to do a better job of “connecting the dots” for people who are not following the issues on a daily basis, Lingle offered. But she said it was presumptuous to offer advice to a man with such accomplishments, who has made such sacrifices.
Obama has engaged millions and excited young people who had never before been involved in the political system, said Cardin. “I’m proud of the campaign he’s run.” He noted that millions have contributed small amounts, $25 and $50, to see Obama elected president.
“Take a look at the trash that McCain has put on TV,” Cardin added. “He promised to be a truth teller. McCain has gone down new paths of deception.”
In his closing argument, Cardin said Obama is choosing to invest in America, its schools, healthcare, energy independence and security. The U.S. was a respected international leader eight years ago, able to work for peace in countries like Ireland and Cyprus. Obama will restore that respect.
Americans must “choose hope over fear, change over the status quo,” Cardin concluded.
In her closing statement, Lingle repeated that Americans must choose a leader they can trust to keep his word and to keep America and Israel safe. “It’s a choice between experience and a blank slate. We don’t know much about Obama.”
Obama is “uncomfortable with making a decision, with controversy,” Lingle said. “He wants to keep everyone happy. McCain will put the country first.”
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